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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:01 am
Stormy wrote: I really don't understand how the stuff is banned anyway. We are allowed to drink ourselves into rages (I never met a mean pot head yet) and drink ourselves into such an altered state that we murder innocent people while driving and are too out of our minds to even remember doing it when we wake up in the hospital the next morning. But we aren't allowed to grow and smoke an herb with proven medicinal qualities...
I agree completely with your comment Stormy! And I've never heard of anyone dying from liver disease from smoking too much "herb" either!
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 7:33 pm
You know you have to smoke about 1000 joints consecutively in order to OD on pot? But you can get alcohol poisoning extremely easy. It just seems stupid to me to have cops spend so much time fighting weed when they should be monitoring other things. And everyone thinks potheads are supid, when some of the potheads I've known are geniuses. Not to mention pot makes you extremely creative, especially when it comes to growing the pot. I know a guy that started growing plants in trees. He even rigged sheets of plastic to collect the right amount of water. The only thing I have against it is the fact that it's illegal. If it were legal I'd be all for it.
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:22 pm
im for it for medical purposes.
But just beacause you cant OD on pot that easy, it still has very bad side effects. #1 it alters your consciousness which should really not be messed with at all, especially teenagers who already stupid #2 it still contains tar and other bad things for your lungs and #3 it still kills brain cells.
But im for it medically. We use tons of herbs and other stuff that is poisoness if not used correctly, but used as medicine is good. And i think if it were legal with prescription, the teens wouldn't get as big of a thrill out of it and stop.
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:48 pm
i don't see how people think just cause its illegal i shouldn't do it it. (im not condoning this) in the 60's when lsd started showing up people's way of thought changed completely, and many medical profesionals began to use it in studys. lsd let people think on a whole new plateau of thought, but because of this our government banned it completely. just a few months ago i met one of the biggest acid suppliers from the 60's and 70's and maybe even 80's with my uncle in michigian. my uncle who still is a wonderful dead head knew him right away, he now is a jeweler in australia and makes some of the most beautiful art work i have ever seen! and also a very productive member of society, who helps with world problems and all sorts of stuff. when he and my uncle were talking they were talking about the strangest things ever, but i could only grasp the very basics of the conversation.
basically i dont think drugs that alter your mind are a bad thing, all it does is show you some other part of a thought pattern. why be like everyone else and think the same?
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:53 pm
"#1 it alters your consciousness which should really not be messed with at all, especially teenagers who already stupid #2 it still contains tar and other bad things for your lungs and #3 it still kills brain cells."
have you read any actual medical reports on this or did you just get this from rumors?
"especially teenagers who already stupid"
not all teenagers are stupid!
"the teens wouldn't get as big of a thrill out of it and stop."
not all teens do it, there is a number of alduts who use it also. and not all teens use it to get a thrill.
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:48 pm
I am not going to get into it but....
here is my payment of $.02
It should be kept illegal....it is now illegal to smoke tobacco products in public places in Columbus. I am all about regulation on stuff.
First of all it smells horrid and is violating my environment worse than tobacco. Secondly It does effect you mentally...denial of this is pure ignorance. and as for the liquor argument: I cannot get a contact buzz from some guy drinking a glass of wine while in the same room.
The reason why it should stay illegal is that too many people are ignorant to the fact that pot is more harmful then they let on to be. In fact so many think it is harmless because it does not give you liver cancer and it mellows you out. It is a harmful substance that alters your mind in negative ways.....I' have been in rooms with people who were high on pot and they become mindless morons who think watching bugs bunny cartoons are funny....it also makes one so mellow that it diminishes ambition. Priorities are not kept in the right place and they do not have the gumption to do anything. I have known wine-os function in society and go to work everyday without fail......their mind is sharp that you would not know that they were drunk! Yes, wine is legal because people are not ignorant to the fact that it is harmful whereas pot users argue that it is not harmful at all!
Yes, pot smokers do not do anything........thats the point right there: They do nothing but sit around and smoke pot.
*steps of soapbox*
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 8:02 pm
( im not saying smoking pot is good. it definetly has its down falls but i cant sit back and let someone say that.)
that is all opinion! not every pot smoker sits at home and laughs at stupid cartoons, it can actually be spiritual if you have an open mind. it's because of those stupid hollywood movies that people think pot smokers are stupid and extremely laid back about everything. this is not the case i have many friends including me that occasionaloy indulge and none of us are stupid or lazy! i also can function fine after smoking ( i dont drive) but i can still do homework, talk to my parents and friends and it also brings out a great artistic flow when im stoned, meditation also comes easier.
im not saying that some people who smoke aren't stupid and laugh at stupid things. just you cant preach about things like that unless you know both sides. i have a friend that was a student body president for his junior year who smoked every day in the morning and at night, he was active and he got 3 A's and a B on his report card.
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 8:12 pm
Ahem, well, the fact that drunks DO go out and do things is exactly what makes them dangerous! Some become incredibly violent while drunk, and the majority of them don't think they're drunk when they are, and get behind the wheel of a car and cause horrible accidents! Personally, I'd take the bum sitting around laughing at cartoons (I happen to like cartoons even though I'm not a stoner) over the drunk who leaces the bar, gets into his car, and either causes an accident on the way home, or, when he gets home, beats his wife and children.
I do realize that there are some people out there who do know how to drink responsibly (I pride myself on being one of those people), but there are also pot users who know how to use pot wisely too, and will not use it in public places or around people who are bothered by it, and will use it only occasionally (as opposed to the perpetual stoners that you pointed out). As a matter of fact, I know a few people who do smoke, and who do so intelligently, and who can even carry on an intelligent conversation while smoking! Smoking pot may be bad for you, but LOTS of things are bad for you, including alchohol! That's why the key to all things is MODERATION! Do anything too often and it will be bad for you, but if used in moderation, it has a some benefits.
**NOTICE** Neither I nor anyone associated with Pagan Library condones the use of illegal substances, this is strictly for the sake of debate!
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:21 pm
I've seen so many people destroy their lives with pot and or liquor. Are you saying that pot users never get in their cars and kill? It is illegal to smoke pot and drive too ya know.
Sorry but you cannot convince me that pot is harmless and the ignorance of such is where the harm comes in.
I am saying that I would not want neither the pot user nor the drunk operating a crane or even a car.
My point the "pot is harmless" argument is just as much foolish propaganda without a basis on fact as some of the other arguments for drinking being allowed. There are over a thousand ways to die: I am more likely to die of cancer than get hit by a car but it does not make one form of death more "dangerous." Seriously do you think that people do not die from smoking pot!!!!!???? Do you really think that someone can safely drive a car under the influence of anything mind altering like pot........people even lack of sleep is mind altering and causes accidents.
Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 11:00 pm
no one has ever said that pot was harmless but then again your not killing youself by smoking a joint. stupid people drive when they are under the influnce of anything!
but this "foolish propaganda" works in both ways. those commercials where people get killed in car accidents because of pot are people over stating what actually happens. they say 1in every 3 people in an accident using drugs used pot, the actual number is miniscual, crystal meth and hallucinogens out rank pot. "example per year" crystalmeth deaths- 3000, hallucingogens deaths- 4000, pot deaths- 300. (this is not pure fact! either over stressed or under its for the sake of debate) but i remeber doing research on those deaths for my health calss and laughing at how dramtic those pot commercials are.
also how is it that we live in a society that condones joining an army and going killing people across seas yet self exploration "drugs" make you a horrible person?
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 12:41 pm
um I dont think anything is spiritual if it is harming your body. Your body has to be in best condition, aligned with mind and soul to be spritual and progress spritiually, besides the Lord and Lady (or whoever you wish to believe in) does not want you to harm others or YOURSELF.
So in my opinion, if the Goddess saw someone using harmful things to attain spiritual progressiveness...... I dont think she would let them.
Besides, anyone using it for spirutal progressiveness screams out more stupid to me than the ones who just wanna get high...
And I may not of read a medical report on pot, but everyone knows it has tar, kills your brain, etc they had a medic of somekind come into school freshman year and give us a big lecture about it, they talk about all the bad things on the commercials, etc.
And I didn't say ALL teenagers are stupid, did you see the word ALL in there anywhere? I didn't, I love all the teeenagers here on my board who are great ppl, truly dedicated to paganism.
And I agree with Lotus and Morgana about it being bad for you.
Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 12:43 pm
rustingwizard wrote:also how is it that we live in a society that condones joining an army and going killing people across seas yet self exploration "drugs" make you a horrible person?
You know, I'm trying to see the comparison between smoking pot and protecting your homeland by doing your duty as a soldier. And you know, it's just not working.
But that's not the issue here.
While this section of the Pagan Library is dedicated to Herbal and Gardening Discussion, it was not intended to be used to argue the merits of Marijuana. As with some other things that have come up in recent weeks, the Library is not a place for this sort of discussion. There are plenty of other forums where you can discuss the pros/cons of using an illegal substance.
Please take this discussion elsewhere.
While many of us here are adults and are capable and legally able to make our own decisions and face the consequences of our choices, there are impressionable minor children on this board. As their elders, both in age and in the Craft, it is our responsibility to set a good example for them. Please don't let them down.
This topic is closed.